Being Influenced vs. Copying

Hey Dave – I’ve been working on material and continue to search for my comedy voice. Although I want to do some improvising, I want a good amount of material to work off of. Someone said I have a somewhat eccentric and iconoclastic persona and should take advantage of that. Therefore, I’ve thought about using Prof. Irwin Corey and Steven Wright as influences and been writing material similar to theirs, especially since I like it. However, I’m afraid I’m not using them as an influence but just copying them. Is there a thin line between the 2 or just between fishing and standing there doing nothing? – JK

Read and remember!

Hey JK – I was fortunate to work with the late, great Prof. Irwin Corey and with Steven Wright during my years at The NYC Improv. And as I always tell the younger comics: if you don’t know who those guys are, look them up. You’ll learn a lot about the history of stand-up and how much past performers have shaped the headliners we see today.

Both Prof. Corey and Steven Wright are incredibly smart and incredibly funny. I also know that if I ever tried to write like either one, I’d be lost – completely confused. My brain actually hurts just thinking about it. But I do have some thoughts on your question, so instead of standing here doing nothing, let’s go fishing for an answer…

Yes – there is a line between being influenced and copying. Ideally, it should be a wide one.

As Prof. Corey would say, “Let me explain…”

Prof. Irwin Corey

I often compare comedy to music. I’ve done this in my workshops, books, and more than a few FAQs. You can’t reinvent the wheel. Someone had to hum the first tune, and someone had to make the first joke. Musicians and comedians have been building on those firsts ever since.

One of my all-time favorite bands is The Rolling Stones. They’ve influenced countless musicians for more than sixty years – yet there’s still only one Rolling Stones. But even they started by copying their heroes: Muddy Waters, Howlin’ Wolf, Robert Johnson, Chuck Berry, Bo Diddley… the list goes on.

Did they copy? Absolutely.

They played a lot of covers early on. But that’s not what made them legends. Mick Jagger found his own voice. Keith Richards found his. Together they wrote new songs inspired by what they loved – but filtered through who they were.

That’s exactly how comedians develop. They start by emulating what they like.

Keith Richards isn’t going to play Bach when he grew up loving Chuck Berry. And based on how you described your humor, I doubt you’re going onstage with props like Carrot Top or with the kind of sharp-edged commentary Dave Chappelle is known for. You admire Corey and Wright, so of course they’ll influence you – just like Chuck Berry influenced the Stones.

But here’s the big difference between comedy and music:

Steven Wright

The Rolling Stones can play “Johnny B. Goode” in concert. A comedian can’t go onstage and say, “Here’s one from Steven Wright,” and then perform his jokes.

That’s not influence – that’s theft. And yes, there are comedians who do it. And most of us know exactly who they are. The respect level for joke thieves is somewhere below sea level.

Being influenced is not the same as stealing.

Creative artists build on what came before them. A Rolling Stones song might have a Chuck Berry riff or a Bo Diddley beat hiding in the background, but it’s still a Stones song. Likewise, comedians can’t help but be influenced by the style of humor they enjoy.

Carrot Top didn’t invent prop comedy. Every kid who ever held paper plates to their head and pretended to be Mickey Mouse dabbled in prop comedy. He took what he liked and built on it.

That’s what you need to do.

You understand your comedic style. It’s reminiscent of Corey and Wright, but you’re not Corey and you’re not Wright – and that’s the point. You didn’t grow up in their neighborhoods, their families, their jobs, or their lives. You have your own stories, experiences, personality, and point of view.

That’s where your material has to come from.

Don’t ask, “What would Steven Wright say?” Ask, “What do I think about this?” Respect your influences, borrow the sensibility you appreciate – but say things in your own words with your own brain.

When I worked in Los Angeles, I worked with Jim Carrey and Michael Richards (Kramer from Seinfeld). Both were massive Jerry Lewis fans. But neither went onstage yelling, “HEY LAAYYYDEEE!” That would’ve been stealing. But they did incorporate Lewis-style physicality, wild expressions, and pratfalls – filtered through their own personalities and experiences. And Jerry Lewis, of course, had been influenced by Chaplin and Harpo Marx.

That’s how influence works.

Use your natural mannerisms, your personality, and your experiences to shape your material. Don’t hold paper plates up to your head and hope the audience laughs – dig deeper. Think about why something is funny to you and how you see it. Then present that.

Everyone is influenced by someone. None of us are inventing the wheel – we’re just putting better tires on it. The key is understanding what makes you unique and exploring material that fits your comedic point of view.

Keep writing. Keep performing. Your comedy voice will emerge. And one day, when someone asks who influenced you, you’ll have your answer – just like every successful comedian does. The turning point is when you stop copying and start building on what inspired you in the first place.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!!

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The Comedy Police Force

Hey Dave – I was at an open-mic last week. A comic went on stage and “called out” another comic who had gone before him for stealing jokes. He did this from the stage. Afterwards, he couldn’t prove it – and no one else remembered hearing those jokes anywhere else. We think he was wrong and handled it wrong. Any thoughts? – D

Comedy police out for joke-stealers!

Hey D – I always have thoughts. And when they’re about comics stealing material, they’re never good ones.

What a jerk.

Wait… let me rethink that. We might have two jerks here. Allow me to think out loud – or at least in loud writing.

JERK #1

This honor goes to the comic who “called out” the other one from the stage.

First of all, he admitted afterward that he had no proof. Maybe he thought he was being edgy—sometimes that works—but not when it’s at the expense of another comic who’s just trying to improve at an open-mic. That’s what these nights are for: getting better.

(And of course, this assumes the first comic didn’t actually steal material.)

The accuser should’ve talked to him privately, not trashed him in front of an audience. Unless a comic is known for stealing, the professional move is to speak offstage, one-on-one.

Bill Engvall talked about this in my book Comedy FAQs and Answers. He called it the comedy police.

Mention it!

When you think someone’s stealing, mention it—but privately. Comics should police each other, keep each other honest. If the warned comic keeps doing the same bit after being told, then there might be consequences.

But sometimes it’s not theft – it’s coincidence.

I once knew two comics, one in New York and one in Los Angeles, who independently wrote the same joke. They didn’t know each other and had never worked the same clubs. But the LA comic did the joke on the television show, A&E’s An Evening at the Improv.

(I know, because I was the talent coordinator standing off – camera when it happened.)

After the taping, I called the NY comic – both are still friends of mine – and told him what happened. He immediately said, “Well, I can’t do that joke anymore.” He wasn’t mad, because he knew they’d both written it honestly. But now that it had aired nationally, the other guy “owned” it.

That’s just how the business works.

So yes, a comic can accidentally do something too similar to someone else’s bit. The right way to handle that is quietly and respectfully – not grandstanding from the stage.

If you’ve got proof, talk privately. If he keeps doing it, then you can call him out.

JERK #2

Now let’s talk about the other jerk – the one who really does steal.

Back in New York, when I was starting out, there was an open-mic comic who ran a popular show. He was a nice guy, gave people stage time, and claimed to be a headliner in Florida.

That didn’t quite add up.

Turned out, he was going to Florida and doing the best material he’d stolen from comics performing at his open-mic.

Say what?!

The reaction from the NY comedy scene was swift and brutal. Nobody played his open-mic anymore, and no one else would give him stage time. Word got around, and eventually, he left for Florida to “pursue his career.” I later heard he was parking cars. Can’t confirm that – but it fits.

A few years later, when I was talent coordinator for An Evening at the Improv, he called my office trying to play the “old friend” card for an audition. Short story – he didn’t get one.

Chalk another up for the comedy police.

The Bottom Line

So, to answer your question, yeah – the comic who called the other one out from the stage was wrong. If he thought there was a problem, he should’ve handled it privately. Maybe the other comic didn’t even realize it. But if there’s proof, he needs to stop doing the joke.

And if he really is stealing? The comedy police will take care of it.

Comedy is a small world. Word gets around fast.

If it’s obvious someone’s stealing and they keep doing it, they’ll be blacklisted before long. Odds are better they’ll be parking cars at a comedy club before they ever “own” anyone else’s material on television.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!

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