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Three Strikes and You’re Out: When to Drop a Bit

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Hi Dave – At what point do you drop a bit? Is there a magic number or amount of time that you spend refining before you shelf a joke or bit? Thanks! W.K.

The Rule of Three!

Hey W.K. – I enjoy this type of question because it will always start a debate. In fact, it’s already started one – with me. In other words, I have two answers…

The first falls back on my dedicated opinion that comedians are creative artists. Writing and performing original material is an ongoing process. You create something and continue to develop it and make improvements.

Will it ever be perfect? Not really… at least for a creative artist.

Here’s what I mean. A lot of comics I’ve worked with have had killer sets. They come off stage knowing they’ve nailed it – the crowd laughed all the way through and both the performer and audience feel pretty good.

But then the performer (artist) can usually find some fault. It could be delivering one line a different way or even using another facial expression that could’ve taken everything over the top.

Take it on stage!

Could it be called a perfect set? Maybe for the audience, but a creative artist will probably always feel there’s some room for improvement. It’s the curse of being creative.

Here’s another example…

I’ve heard too many interviews with recording artists who’ve had No. 1 songs but can pick out moments (that listeners wouldn’t notice) where – if they could record the song again – they would do something different (in their mind, something better). The song may have hit No. 1, but they can see room for improvement.

The artist doesn’t stop selling the music – because it’s still good. It’s just not perfect. They might continue to change and develop the songs in live performances, which is something that has driven fans of Bob Dylan crazy for decades. He never seems to play his songs the same as the recordings.

Okay – now back to your question about comedy bits.

Just because a bit doesn’t work, that’s no reason to think it will never work. If you think it has promise and you’re dedicated to working on it… well, there’s always the chance.

In that case you would keep working on a bit for as long as you believe it can be made funnier. It will never be perfect, because in the back of your creative mind you always think it can be better.

Okay – that was answer No. 1. Now I’ll share with you a different opinion that I’ve also heard from so many comedians that I can’t ignore it.

I also share this in my workshops as a method for putting together a comedy set that might someday get you hired. It doesn’t take away from your creativity, but it saves the audience – and also importantly the club booker – the agony of paying for performances where the comedian is continually working on improving the same not-yet-working bit.

By the way, that’s great for open-mics and what open-mics are for. But when customers are paying upwards of $20 for a ticket, a two-drink minimum and parking it makes good business sense to give them a show with proven material.

This different opinion also shares the name of another comedy writing theory:

The Rule of Three

The best-known example of this in writing comedy concerns the actual structure of a joke or bit. For an explanation I saved you time and looked it up in Wikipedia. Here’s the scoop:

One of the best examples of the power of rule of three is in comedy, where it is also called a comic triple. Two is the smallest number of points needed to establish a pattern, and comedians exploit the way people’s minds perceive expected patterns to throw the audience off track (and make them laugh) with the third element. Example: “How do you get to my place? Go down to the corner, turn left, and get lost.”

Okay, okay… That sounds too much like textbook theory, which is something creative artists don’t worry about (at least too much). It also doesn’t pertain to your question, but it leads me to a different Rule of Three…

I remember conversations about this at the NYC Improv. As I like to say, I don’t make this stuff up and this idea seemed to be a general opinion with a lot of the comics hanging around the bar waiting to go on stage.

The idea is to try a bit or a joke three times in front of three different audiences.

Three things can happen:

  1. The audience will laugh
  2. Some of the audience will laugh, but not all
  3. The audience won’t laugh

After doing this three times, you add up the score:

  1. If they laugh all three times, you keep the bit or joke in the act
  2. If you get some laughs, but not a lot – rework it and repeat the process
  3. If they don’t laugh, cut the bit from you act

Of course, the first result is the goal, while the last one is pretty much a death sentence for the material.

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The second should spark the creative mind to continue improving the bit or joke. But eventually you’ll need to decide. If it’s only going to be a mediocre piece of material no matter how many changes you make, file it for later or dump it for something new and funnier.

If you want to work in this business, you need material that works in front of an audience.

The creative artist will always continue to develop new material. The working comic will have material that has already been proven to work in front of an audience – and that’s what they will be paid to deliver. So, if the bit or the joke is not working, then follow a similar Rule of Three from the game of baseball theory:

Three strikes and you’re out.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!!

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Why Three Minutes Is More Than Enough

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Hey Dave – You’ve written about how important it is to stay within the amount of time you’ve been given on stage. My question is: Why are showcases so short? In most cases, I don’t think you have enough time to prove how good you really are. – S.K.

Hey S.K. – First, for anyone new to comedy or professional speaking, a showcase is simply another word for an audition.

A successful showcase can lead to paid work, television appearances, club bookings, corporate gigs, or even representation from an agent or manager.

Why do we call it a showcase instead of an audition? I’m not sure. Maybe it sounds more professional and less intimidating. Either way, the goal is the same: someone is deciding whether or not to hire you.

I’ve been involved in showcases for comedy clubs, television shows, corporate events, and college programs. Here’s a behind-the-scenes truth about the business:

The people doing the hiring want to make the best use of their time.

Talent bookers, agents, managers, and event planners don’t want to spend an entire evening watching one performer. It makes far more sense to watch several performers in a single session.

They also don’t want to sit through 10-, 20-, or 30-minute sets when they already know within the first few minutes that a performer isn’t what they’re looking for.

That’s why showcases feature multiple acts doing short sets.

For example, when I was auditioning comedians for A&E’s An Evening at the Improv, I scheduled showcases on Monday nights at The Improv in Los Angeles. We’d see ten comedians perform three-minute sets in about 35 minutes. The extra time was built in for introductions and transitions.

If everyone respected the clock, Mission Showcase was accomplished.

In just over half an hour, ten comedians had an opportunity to book a television appearance.

And it wasn’t just me in the room.

Talent scouts from The Tonight Show, HBO, MTV, and other networks knew these Monday-night showcases were happening. Everyone could evaluate a lot of talent in a short amount of time.

Of course, some comedians complained that three minutes wasn’t enough time to show what they could do.

They were wrong.

Three minutes is plenty of time for an experienced talent booker to know whether a performer is ready.

If you couldn’t convince me within three minutes that you belonged on An Evening at the Improv, then you weren’t ready for that particular show.

The same was true for the other bookers in the room.

Think about it: If a comedian can’t hold attention for three minutes during a showcase, why would a television producer trust that comic with three minutes of airtime?

Even if the performer somehow became hilarious in minute six, television viewers would already be changing channels.

The same principle applies to shows like America’s Got Talent, American Idol, and The Voice. Before contestants ever appear on television, thousands audition in front of producers and judges for only a few minutes—or sometimes less.

If they don’t make an impression quickly, they don’t move on.

The lesson?

Bring your A-game immediately.

A showcase isn’t the place to ease into your act and “warm up.” You don’t have time. Start strong and make every second count.

It’s also your opportunity to demonstrate professionalism.

When you respect your time limit, you’re showing industry people that you understand schedules, production needs, and the realities of the business. You’re proving that you’ll be easy to work with.

And there’s another reason time limits matter:

Your fellow performers.

Whether a showcase is held in front of a live audience or just a panel of judges, people can only absorb so many short performances before fatigue sets in.

That’s why showcases are designed to move quickly.

Sure, someone like Dave Chappelle can perform for two hours and leave audiences wanting more. He’s earned that ability through decades of experience and a mountain of material.

But if you’re already operating at Dave Chappelle’s level, you probably aren’t showcasing.

One way showcases stay fair is by preventing judges and audiences from becoming burned out before the later performers take the stage.

And that brings me to a story.

In my comedy workshops, ten aspiring comedians perform five-minute sets during our graduation show. That’s 50 minutes of comedy, plus an emcee opening the show and introducing each performer.

The audience begins the evening fresh and excited. By keeping the sets short and focused, energy stays high throughout the night.

A few years ago, the first comedian in the lineup had a strong five-minute set. We had worked hard on it together, and he was prepared.

The problem?

He never looked up.

I was in the back of the room, ready to signal when his time was almost up. But he kept staring at the front tables and never once looked toward the sound booth.

His five minutes ended.

And he kept talking.

The prepared material ran out. Then came the rambling.

Suddenly, the audience wasn’t laughing anymore.

People started looking at menus, chatting among themselves, and ordering drinks. They mentally checked out.

By the time he finally left the stage, the comedian who followed him had to work twice as hard just to regain the audience’s attention.

The damage had been done.

After the show, he came over and asked how he did.

The truth?

“You did ten freaking minutes.”

Okay, maybe I said it with a little more diplomacy than that (not really – I never use the word “freaking”).

But I explained how going long had affected the entire show—not just him, but every performer who followed.

The irony was that his first five minutes were excellent.

The extra five minutes erased much of the goodwill he had earned.

Fortunately, he learned the lesson. He’s still performing today, and talent bookers continue to hire him.

Which brings us back to your original question.

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Why are showcases so short?

Because experienced talent buyers don’t need a lot of time to evaluate talent. They’re looking for professionalism, stage presence, confidence, originality, and the ability to connect with an audience.

A strong performer can demonstrate all of that very quickly.

So whether you’re doing a showcase, audition, open mic, or paid gig, remember this:

Respect the clock.

Time on stage can be your greatest ally—or a ticking time bomb.

And as every comedian knows, nobody likes to bomb.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!!

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Never promise what you can’t deliver

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Hey Dave – I need some advice… although I think I already know the answer. A booker asked if I could do an hour clean for corporate and 90 minutes for cruises. I’ve got about 40 clean. I already hurt myself recently when someone asked if I could headline an hour and I admitted I was more comfortable featuring. I want to say yes – but I don’t want to disappoint them or damage my reputation. At the same time, I’m worried that if I say no, they won’t call me again. What do you think? – D.

Are you being honest?

Hey D. – You’re right – you do already know the answer. And so does every working comic and talent booker who’s been around the business for more than a few open mics. The only difference is experience makes it easier to trust that answer.

Here’s the reality: nobody in this business wants to lose an opportunity. But one of the fastest ways to do exactly that is by overpromising – or worse, flat-out misrepresenting – what you can deliver.

If a booker tells a client, “This comic can do a clean hour,” that’s not a suggestion. That’s the product being sold. And if you say you can deliver it, it had better be true.

Because if it’s not… everyone loses.

Now, there are exceptions. Some performers can stretch with crowd work and genuinely carry an hour without a fully written set. If you’ve done that successfully before, that’s part of your act.

It could be a bomb!

But if you haven’t? A high-paying corporate show or a first impression with a legitimate booker is not the place to experiment.

For experienced comics, this is obvious. For those coming up, it’s where temptation creeps in.

You’re thinking: If I say no, I might lose the opportunity. But here’s the flip side: if you say yes and don’t deliver, you won’t just lose this opportunity – you’ll likely lose future ones too.

So, what’s the move?

Tell the truth.

A legitimate booker will respect honesty far more than a shaky performance. If they reached out, it means they’re already interested in working with you. This isn’t a “one strike and you’re out” situation – it’s the beginning of a relationship.

Use it.

Let them know what you can do right now. Ask to be considered for shorter sets. Stay in touch. Most corporate shows don’t even need an hour – 30 to 45 minutes is often the sweet spot.

And when you’re ready to deliver a full hour – or 90 minutes – you circle back and let them know.

That’s how careers are built.

Because this is a career. And careers take time.

Developing a strong, clean act for corporate and cruise work doesn’t happen overnight. It takes stage time, discipline, and a clear understanding that there are no shortcuts in this business.

From the booker’s side, I can tell you this: there’s nothing worse than putting a performer on a show who doesn’t deliver. The client is unhappy. The relationship takes a hit. And that comic?

Let’s just say they’re not getting a call anytime soon.

And yes… I learned that the hard way.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!!

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Running The Light (Going Over Your Time On Stage)

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Hey Dave – Without revealing my secret identity, I heard you talking recently about a comedian who went way over his time on stage—and you didn’t sound too happy about it. Safe to say he overstayed his welcome. Care to elaborate? – G.

Did someone give me the light?

Hey G – “Secret identity?” What is this, a spy novel? Don’t worry – I’ll protect your cover. But if you were really undercover, you’d know better than to eavesdrop on my conversations. I tend to go long.

Speaking of going long…

Want to guarantee you won’t get booked again? Ignore the light. Stay on stage. Do another 10… 20… maybe 60 minutes. After all, the audience obviously can’t get enough of you, right?

(And just in case sarcasm doesn’t translate in print – insert a big NOT! right there.)

Here’s the reality: stand-up may be a creative art, but it operates within a very structured business. And one of the biggest unwritten rules is simple – respect your time on stage.

Yes, there are exceptions. If you’re selling out arenas or headlining major tours, audiences expect a longer “concert-style” experience. Think of Bruce Springsteen playing three-hour shows – fans love it, and they paid for it.

But unless you’re at that level, stick to your set time.

Why? Because behind every comedy show is a tightly run operation. Clubs run on schedules – doors open, shows start, staff works, and everything from the kitchen to the bar to the box office is timed around the performance.

Only NO fans!

When a comic goes long, it throws everything off:

  • The box office has already closed
  • Food and drink service has ended
  • Staff is waiting (on the clock) with no way to earn tips
  • The next audience is lining up while the current one is still inside

And here’s something a lot of performers don’t realize: clubs build in “check spots” so customers can pay before the show ends. Run long, and you increase the chances of people slipping out without paying – which often comes out of the server’s pocket.

Not exactly a standing ovation from the staff.

I once had a comedian tell me he was “helping the club” by going an hour over – giving the bar more time to sell drinks. That logic deserves a bigger laugh than anything he said on stage.

The business simply doesn’t work that way.

The same goes for corporate and college gigs. Those events run on tight schedules. Go short, you risk not getting paid. Go long, you risk never getting invited back.

Bottom line:

Time isn’t just a suggestion – it’s part of the job.

For newer comics especially, sticking to your time on stage shows professionalism. It tells bookers and managers you understand how the business works – and that you won’t create problems.

And that’s what keeps you working.

I could go on… but I’ll do something that comic didn’t do.

I’ll stick to my time.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!!

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Laughs and Bookings – the best revenge

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Hey Dave – I had a great set last night, but one of the comedians who went on after me tore into me. It got really personal, and it honestly hurt. The people running the show asked if I wanted to go back on and get revenge, but I declined. Did I handle it the right way? – N.R.

Best revenge!

Hey N.R. – It sounds like the opening shot in a potential comedy war. Whether you want to crawl into the comedy trenches (a common comedy term — not mine) with this loudmouth depends on two things:

• Your onstage personality — your comic voice
• How you want to be seen onstage and offstage in this business

Maybe I’m naive, but after a few decades working with comedians, I’ve found this business to be far more supportive than people think. Sure, there are jerks — real pains in the butt — but I don’t know any career path that’s immune from that.

When this kind of behavior happens, it’s usually fueled by jealousy, ego, or a power trip. And here’s the irony: in my experience, the more power someone actually has in the business, the more supportive they tend to be of newer talent. That goes for comedians, bookers, and behind-the-scenes decision-makers.

Disbelief?

(I can practically feel the disbelief from some readers right now. This may turn into a future FAQ — I’ll let that thought marinate.)

For now, here’s the real issue:

Who are you onstage, and how do you want to be perceived by the people you work with — other comics and the people who hire them?

Comedians who are genuine friends tear into each other onstage all the time. That can be hilarious. At the NYC Improv, we could run a microphone into the men’s room and hold it over a flushing toilet when a friend’s joke bombed. The comic onstage ripped into us for the rest of the set, and everyone loved it.

  • That’s playful.
  • That’s earned.
  • That’s mutual.

What you experienced sounds different.

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When it’s mean-spirited, there’s no upside. An unprovoked attack is almost always about making him look better at your expense — jealousy, ego, or both.

There are two ways to handle this, and the right choice depends on who you are.

If you’re the kind of comedian who can verbally dismantle someone — truly dismantle them — then by all means, go for it. A skilled insult comic doesn’t absorb cheap shots; they return them with interest. Think Nikki Glaser, Marc Maron, Wanda Sykes, Dave Attell, Jeff Ross. An insult comic worth their weight can turn a heckler — or a fellow comic — into roadkill.

If that’s you, next time: aim for the throat.

But if that’s not your voice — onstage or in life — then you absolutely did the right thing by walking away.

Let this guy burn his own reputation. Comics don’t want to work with someone known for cheap shots. And bookers? They want the least amount of drama possible. Speaking from experience as a booker, I’ve passed on very funny non-headliners simply because they were a pain to deal with.

If someone else is just as funny — and easier to work with — that’s who gets the gig. Every time.

In a perfect world, your only focus should be becoming a better comedian. If someone chasing the same goal doesn’t like you, you’re probably doing something right.

Want revenge?
Get more laughs.
That leads to more bookings.

Use this moment as fuel. If your work ethic and focus pay off, maybe someday this loudmouth will be parking cars outside a comedy club, ripping into his coworkers — while you’re inside headlining.

Make it happen.

Thanks for reading and as always – keep laughing!!

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